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Friday, November 11, 2011

11111111 Mentality ; Continued..


Mentality ; Continued..  
(Shanks, Being a TRUE Red ; "The LIVERPOOL WAY")


“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.” 





Meeting with Shanks, (98th birthday special) plus….

A young local "Balkan Red" (Ugo) sparked an idea for this issue of "REdNeT" …(http://rednet-alien.blogspot.com/ ) Trying to convince me to play "football manager/fantasy football" or something similar sort of computer/video game , "to test my management skills" ..it would have been Shanks birthday today and coincidentally I just booked a ticket to the CHARITY evening "Audience wit Rafa Benitez" ..with so mnay of our fans being young or distant it may help to have a "meeting with Shanks" ..a bit updated, (NOTE this is obviosuly MY "interpretation" and hopefully with full respect for his memory and his family) ..I imagined how he might have reacted (as he did about "formal coaching" @ Lileshall the FA coaching centre ,, "FA" being operative words <smile> ) if someone had suggested he needs to play "fantasy footy"

…"aye, well, ye see son,..management is something inside you, the great managers weren't always the greatest players but they all had something magical which you cant explain in a book or your fancy computer programmes, its in your soul, to know what to do and what to say at the right time"………."mind you, son, I think the referee in Milan , 1965 , during the European cup of champions semi-final ..had some sort of fantasy …of how to be a ref"

So to honour what would have been his 98th birthday, I have "imagined" my dream of meeting the great man, not fantasy footy, but my fantasy and greatest unfulfilled wish of meeting him in person…

(for those who need some factual background go to



CS>Shanks, an honour to meet you, something I always wanted, if ever anyone had ever asked , who would you have liked to meet, and spend time talking to, who would it be, well its you Bill..so I would like to start with that famous quote "“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.”

Shanks>well, son, that’s not exactly how I said it but, you have to understand that when I was managing LFC the game (then was almost always at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon, none of this sky-tv malarky) was THE most important think that many of the working classes had to look forward to, the standing KOP had maybe 25,000 lads packed together in a swaying, singing mass, most of them had been working at boring or heavy labour jobs, at the Liverpool docks or car factories or on building sites..and this was their place, to worship their team and let of steam (and sometimes there literally was STEAM rising from the KOP!) ..most of docks now are closed and thanks the Thatcher the Unions & factory jobs "deleted" by the tory menace..

CS> The kids then played football, because often the only "toy" or game we had was a football, I remember bunking school to play in the back field, and even when I was offcially off school, I would be out there playing from breakfast time until my ma called me in for bed! Often we would only have a couple of shirts down as goal-posts, and strain our eyes to see the ball…loved every minute of it, still do, even though now I play 6-a-side with lads half my age, I still "compete"..reminds me of your quote "“What a great day for football, all we need is some green grass and a ball.” the kids today are spoilt and spend far too much time on video games and other stuff , they don’t have that "hunger to play" that we had..

Same as the professionals?

Shanks>When our lads played they would drive or even catch a bus to Anfield, players like the honest Cally, would jump on a bus..and their loyalty and commitment to me well, I expected them to be prepraed to run through a brick wall..

CS>Yeah, Bill, nowdays its surreal..an average squad player is a multi-millionaire, treated like a celebrity and lets not forget that many of them are young lads, and this opens them up to exploitation by agents and for sure affects their relationships with family & friends..and the modern media examine & analyse their every move…we have ex-players & pundits, so-called experts who reply every single thing the lads do, and even discuss "body language" on tv about footy players..would you believe it? ;)

Shanks>really?, well as I once said "“Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.” I used simple methods of getting the players at clubs like grimsby and workington to turn over teams from bigger clubs , gave them belief in themselves..aye, its grand to see a player dribbling past 3 or 4 defenders but when you play "pass & move" positively with belief, no team can live with us..

CS>Its true that you could have been at the club earlier than 1959, we recently had people criticising Rafa Benitez because he insisted on having the last say on the Team & transfers etc etc..

Shanks>A manager must have control, I turned down the chance to go Liverpool in 1951 because the board had to confirm the team seelction..I wanted always to be the best “Aim for the sky and you'll reach the ceiling. Aim for the ceiling and you'll stay on the floor.” in other words, GO out with the idea that you are or will be the best, then make yourself the best…

CS>I am sad that some of our people , fans, players & etc just talk about "Champions League qualification" (that’s to obtain top 4 position in the league) and the man who managed to obtain the holding company that controls the "office" (an AMERICAN, BILL!!) John Henry talks cautiously about being too soon to expect to win the league, WE were always about winning the league, why do we let people, like this guy, whose only involvement in football is ONE year! Talk us down?? I wanted our supporters to own the club(and we now have several million Lfc fans registered aroung the world, through an electronic network)

Shanks>well as I used to say "Directors are there only to sign the cheques" ..we had whats called the holy trinity ; a family a social bond between me , the players and SUPPORTERS..!

CS> I fear that many who even sign "You'll Never walk alone" don’t understand the meaning of the words not behave as SUPPORT when things don’t go their way,Bill the whole of society is selfish , and commercially obsessed.. The socialist ethics , of helping each other and sharing rewards has been smothered by the american form of cold heartless capitalism. Sure in a team we want the indicviduals to also take initiative when necessary, but not al the EXPENSE of the COLLECTIVE , which is how the world is now..but something never changes - the blues are still way behind us ;)

Shanks> aye this city has two great teams - Liverpool and Liverpool reserves. Ha ha ..

CS>maybe even 3 - including our youth team, with about 25 international class players (6 in the england team, not that you would be impressed by that, Bill)

Shanks>When I had nothing better to do, I used to look down the league table to see how Everton are getting along , well, people in Liverpool have Celts spirit in them, but you know a lot of football success is in the mind. You must believe you are the best and then make sure that you are. And if they are good enough, then they are old enough.

CS>you will remember Kenny Dalglish, well ,he is managing the club for the second time, and giving the lads (many of whom Rafa Benitez introduced into the club) Kenny left management of our team, after a successful term as player then player-manger after a disaster killed 96 of our supporters in1989.


Shanks>Terrible! , and I remember Kenny, aye, a scot of course! :) our players other problem  in the old days was Referees, The most infamous being the cheat that knocked us out of the semi-finals away leg after we had taught Inter-Milan a lesson in football at Anfield in 1965! The crook awarded goals that never were..haunts me to this day, we should have been champions of europe then.The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they do not know the game.

CS>Well, as we like to remind the mancs , "WE won it FIVE times" although its now on a league basis - we retained the trophy itself after a great come-back in the final of 2005 in Istanbul that you would be proud of, and despite modern technology referees still get it wrong, it always seems to be against us, especially when we play the mancs, they have their own ref ; H. Webb!

Shanks>you know, son, that I used to laugh when people expected me to show paper qualifications, they think that having that makes them educuted, using big words, like you said during "analysis" makes them important, I scoff at them, because simple language can be understood by anyone, if someone is greedy , say so! Don’t use a word that only lawyers & politicians use (got no time for them, son) whats the point of communicating if only a few people know what you mean? Me having no education. I had to use my brains.

CS>I understand full well , Bill, the only paper qualification I had was passing a driving test (and now that’s a plastic card, ha ha ) BILL, its been an honour and a privaledge, and if by some magic some of your words have steered me back to right way of life then I thank you, but most of all I thank you for all those great times, and even those sad & bad times which maybe bonded True Reds together much more, because without you, experiencing special cup finals & exciting final league games  in 72, 74 (your "last") 76, 77, 78, 81, 84, 86, 2001, 2005, and even 2007 losing in Athens but WITH 50,000 travelling REdS…o my birthday party..you gave me something that I never had in any other part of my life, I lost family, friends and business changed or gone..parents, wife, sister, son deceased but the LIVERBIRD is always with me , thanks to you; BILL SHANKLY; "Shanks who MADE "the (TRUE Red) LIVERPOOL way"..


ChriS
02/09/2011, 10:28

Working class hero..by a scouser, I dedicate to BILL..
dedicated to Shanks ; a Scot, a Celt True working class hero, by my other Hero A brother and a scouser namedJohn... (LINK)


Ordinary man?

Shanks Quotes..

“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.”

“Me having no education. I had to use my brains.”“Aim for the sky and you'll reach the ceiling. Aim for the ceiling and you'll stay on the floor., “What a great day for football, all we need is some green grass and a ball. ...“This city has two great teams - Liverpool and Liverpool reserves. ..“The trouble with referees is that they know the rules, but they do not know the game.” ..if any young or ill -informed "fans" wonder why our generation "go on" about Shanks, well just get this HE made "the Liverpool way"..and without him Liverpool football club would not be the UNIQUE global entity that it is today..!



To all True Reds ..
And this is really only for those few of U I invited to the Universal REdS group, but as my dear old, departed, Ma would say, "well, if the cap fits,WEAR it"...
When I was a young man, a wizz-kid building my own empire.. I bought the book "Shankly by Shankly" ..i must have read it a thousands times over & over, the great , the humour, and also the sadness.. And in some ways as much as I am in love with the LIverBird, since I was about 10 years old or so, it was hard for me to take how Bill felt. I didn’t WANT to read about him being discarded by "the office" of my club,and feeling more welcome at OT or goodison..but in my latter years , goodness, DO I understand….

Very FEW people, even ex-players appreciate the "Liverpool way" because in reality it WAS "Shanks way"..

I am disgusted by some antics of fans, ex-players, "tv pundits" and former or current Lfc "officials" who seem to have NO clue as to what he meant..its not just "pass & move" or YNWA or a collection of his quotes put on witty banners carried around the world, or the songs we sang..(better than anyone)..of being " a bastion of invincibility" theres something about TRUE genius with IS "alone" because it gives so much and gets little reward..
MY greatest anger recently has been towards "my own fans" & especially the "S.o.S" UNION , who rejected my warnings and proposals to combine a supporters buy out/in with the formation of the Union 3 years ago..WE own the club, even if on paper, the yankers are the owners.
With Shanks , WE made it,..



Bill would have gone mad at the committee of "Spirit of Shankly" for the half-hearted "protests" and delay in getting quickly to grips with the EVIL stranglehold of money-motivated men that have infiltrated Lfc

And I regard it as an INSULT when people dare to suggest that Bob Paisley was better or even equal to Bill..

LFC was a well-supported but "average" club prior to Shanks..and could have been that now, instead of what the yankers call " a global brand" with several millon "registered fans" ...
I made my first own enterprise when I was 26, and left it before I was 30, but MADE a basis , with unique ideas and (simple) methods that my "administrative partner" carried on for the next 25 years..the turnover multiplied 100 times in that time and staff also, but the inroads & profitability - and the amount of success achieved pro-rata was never so great as the first years of my involvement, he employed 5 people to try to do what I did, less effectively..
The world is full of people who can , with some common sense, and a little bit of ability CONTINUE, adopt and perhaps, improve a great ideal, but those who can take something (or nothing in our case, other than courage & 500 quid!) and make it great ARE FEW and far between.

didnt Bill say it louder! ;) 
I have supported Liverpool, the city, the club, the football , the MUSIC the CULTURE and the people in any way possible, in return I have been "alien-hated" because I wasn’t a born scouser who dares to challenge "locals" but I am more of a Red than they will ever be.. Wherever, I have been living or doing I have given my best to LIVERPOOL…why?..because its not a place , it’s a feeling..

A feeling, an explosion of humanity, so rare, as people bought into the capitalism & commercial bullsh*te since 3 decades so much so, that not only kids but older sky-washed "fans" talk about football as if it was a video game/…

I was a business machine until 1995 when a meningitis attack put me in a coma. When I "awoke" I decided that was "close enough" , and a message came to me to , for want of a better explanation" (?) .."do GOOD" …and the irony is that when I was a freelance global business manager ("strategic networking , joint ventures & confidential start-ups") "everyone " loved me" ..

When I organised peace campaigns, taught eco-logic, environmental & homeopathy, coached kids , volunteered and fought for human rights, people mostly "hated me"..and this message will probably "cull " some of my so-called facebook "friends"..

The world society has been tricked into dishonesty, the modern media is the mirror of lies of the society you all live in, its Obscene to have people, young or old, getting angry because we aren't paying 22 MILLION for this or that player (because sly tv told them we only offered TWENTY MILLION pounds) when we are on a world KILLING circa 25 MILLION KIDS per day..and every day I see street kids scrambling through rubbish to find something worth repairing to sell..

IF the "democratic U.S. of A" MERELY SUSPENDED buying weapons for a period of ONLY ONE year and we distributed food & the ability to grow, logically (instead of commercially) everyone on this planet could live, & live well..

I have had my computers , crashed, stolen , broken, had my phones tapped, and burnt out, websites , constantly bombed with virus that can only come from sophisticated "security agencies" …my "friends" have been warned away from me, and their own "comms" attacked!
I hang on dearly to the ethics of Shanks "socialism" ..all sharing the rewards of collective efforts, whilst still allowing the individual initiative to score goals by intelligence..why was the man a genius? BECAUSE 99,99% of you are STUPID!!

YOU ALL KNOW what is wrong, you go through a facade daily, telling lies, even "white ones" or fibs .."how are you, Mrs Jones ? "… "oh I am fine….Musn't grumble" ..etc etc.. The media is full of the same sh*te that rock musicians scorned when I was a teenager .."cant be a man because he doesn’t smoke the same cigarette as me"..was irony, now kids cant tell the difference and follow the "fashion" uniformly …most people no longer have an opinion that’s isnt formed by gutter press, biased tv reporting or "belonging to the herd"..

Purchases cost a 1000 times more now than then?, why?...the land is still the same (more polluted maybe, so worth less?) the human form is still the same; (I head, 2 arms, 2 legs,if yr lucky!) .. We have automation that should make things easier YET prices and cost of living increases ..why? People work longer ours because they meet, they talk they chat, they view but they don’t DO..enough!

Because You are stupid, you buy the packaging , the marketing YOU BUY is BULLSH*TE!!!
On my "SCLOG" I will repeat some "exchanges" with a "fan" called Terry White, its maybe, in your opinion , I am too hard on him, because he only repeats the media opinion, yet that propaganda also infects your kids too.,

How many of your kids KNOW the 20 SIMPLE articles of the 1948 "Universal Declaration of Human Rights"? ..signed in 1948 as a supposed basis of global democracy …& here is the JOKE..this was sent into space , signed and with a covering note by Kurt Waldheim (who was probably a war criminal!) the then UN general secretary. to show other species in the universe that we are "CIVILIZED"..it will be shock when they find out, you are NOT!
THE BIGGEST "joke" is that NOT ONE of the so-called "democratic" nations or government leaders have EVER succesfully applied those "rights" instead they act like RIGHT-wing dictators, and recently eroded the last remnants of a "free society" ..try moving around the world as I do, and you will see the "new world order" is a global POLICE STATE..and "justice" is an illusion..


You pay taxes etc to the "system" which then declares war on people, ordinary people, like you, uses high-tech bombers & missiles that they cant control, and so make "collateral mistakes" ("sorry , not our fault that we wiped out the neighbourhood, and innocent kids along with it"-CNN /C1/a, NSA etc., etc)..the planet; its land is stolen from you and the air & water polluted by industry and concrete jungles, and damages the minds of your kids & you too!!
"SoS" rejected my claims, & with SLfc & RAWK "banned" me for telling them THE TRUTH ..hypocrits who rightly blame murdochs rags for lies, do the same, Even LFC try to ban me , and often exclude me from "discussions" & matches.. Yet I have done more for this club than ANY of the "fans" in the past, or the "committee" will do, in the future..why do I make this outlandish claim?

Because of apathy, last year WE had the chance to claim our club..and we didn’t , YOU didn’t ..and because of the previous fraudsters (Hicks & Gillet) and because of the chain of misery from Moores, pathetic Parry, through back-stabbing Purslow, a "chelski chairman" (how could YOU allow that!!??) AND that fool Hodgson, you rightly trust Kenny but wrongly trust Henry-Werner (NESV= FSG = BUSINESS franchise)
They are excellent in P.R. its almost the same as politics…who is the worst Clinton or Bush? Thatcher or B-liar..?

me? then, now and.... ? ;)
The most dangerous are those who say all the "right things" but DO what they always intended, which is to get to their goals not yours, to use your money, not theirs..& become powerful because YOU hand it to them..LFC earns billions of dollars through FANS income, and yet you let THEM profit from it, just how stupid are you??
Bush, Thatcher, Hicks …Obvious, and sure its ridiculous to think "the most powerful nation in the world "voted TWICE for George W……. But you do it,, every election time..everywhere ..you give up your lives to politicians , local & global, but why should they solve problems, they wouldn’t be necessary if they did??
YOU are the "problem" the fan that buys the BULLsh*te.. Who would rather buy a sponsor - induced BLUE - sh*te (3rd kit) shirt (whilst Lfc , Claire & Ian Ayres tries to convince you its "history"..insulting your intelligence..) instead of putting that money in a fund to claim a stake in PROTECTING and investing in the future of y-our club?
I remember Shanks writing, something like..."oh, I'm tired of fighting the office to get …(whatever)" ,and I AM tired of reading the same BULLsh*te, seeing fans insult players, even BOO players, ridicule OUR players on Tv or internet, and seeing kids lives wasted in society as a whole..
goodness what is the matter with you..??

A man like Rafa , who tried & cried for us, who was (is) LFC 24/7 , and the idiots at the club discard him , and cant even offer him a position there, and (King Kenny excluded) he is worth more than all the office & training staff combined..some Lfc "fan" called Rafa "that fat spanish waiter"..oh, if I could have climbed through the internet and slapped her silly face I would have done.

The media lies and you swallow..again, and again, and again..
Well I don’t , I spit it out, and I spit on anyone who f-cks with the core of "Shanks WAY", I wont use "Spirit of" because the union tarnished that icon.
My FB has almost 2000, I am networked with 25,000 global enterprises, indirectly connected 2nd hand with a network of several million, and many more through those ppl..but ..
I am still searching for TRUE intelligent life on this planet!
Adios,

Yr "REdAlieN"
ChriS SMITH


see wanted for a "happy Chrismith " ;)

ChriS SmiTH created an event.
Girls?..Just because i am "older" /
Thursday, 15 December 2011 at 00:00
Planet earth.


URGENT WANTED; a good lady, of no special age, but who has a feeling for life, who cares, not just about herself, but who can laugh at life, SHARE good and bad; sensitivity, stories and the essence of life ; love all emotions..And who will make this a "Happy Chrismith" ;)

Having lived abroad instigating numerous international networking projects since leaving GB more than 25 years ago I have always promoted Liverpool; the people, the culture, the music ; the city and Lfc.. I have volunteered in many charities, coached kids "the Liverpool way" had my own  version of a show similar to John Peel on a german free radio station, constantly promoting all things LIverpool, I tell everyone I meet that this is the place to be, because of the friendly people, culture , its music and football.(being a supporter of Lfc since the 60's) .

I am currently experimenting with youth and local SME/entrepreneurs in a creative enterprise (see http://www.ursun.net/LetS-BFAIR_LAUNCH.htm "under construction") .. and  ask you to inform me how you think "Its Liverpool" could co-operate with this concept and myself, as Montenegro ("Wild Beauty" ) & the Balkans is becoming increasingly important as a Strategic location for eastern europe and mediteranean regions and certain other areas of the World

ChriS SMITH
Montenegro





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Monday, October 24, 2011

REdNET ; SUPPORTERS special...

111024 Supporters Special
There is STILL a lot of "apathy" in our global support...The tendence to forget the dangersous situation the previous Yankers placed us in, has tended to make some Lfc fans forget and believe all they are told by the Lfc "office" ..I love this club, its been my life..THE ONLY CONSTANT when all those family & friends I loved haver gone...but I also must be careful of  "wishful thinking" that all is now "OK"

....About the "Committee"

THIS is IMPORTANT!!

 Supporters' Committee latest
19th Oct 2011 - Latest News

Lfctv. "Anfield will stage the second meeting of the Liverpool Supporters' Committee ahead of the Barclays Premier League clash with Swansea in November - and we want you to make sure your voice is heard.
The Supporters' Committee - formed in the summer of 2011 - met for the first time ahead of the opening game of the season in August and raised a number of issues and discussed a variety of topics with Principal Owner John Henry, Chairman Tom Werner, Managing Director Ian Ayre, Director of Communications Ian Cotton, Head of Ticketing Strategy Phil Dutton and Head of Customer Experience Jean Crisp.
Ahead of the next meeting on November 5, we would now encourage fans who wish to raise an issue to contact their individual representative on the Supporters' Committee. The inaugural meeting, held on August 13, provoked a wide ranging 90-minute discussion and led to a number of actions being taken by senior club staff as part of a drive to improve services for all supporters.
Here is a complete update of progress being made against all issues and questions raised during the first meeting:"


CS> whilst some "minutes" of the meeting between fans & the Lfc board (bored?) were published, the most important and vital aspect (the minutes of the first meeting OF THE COMMITTEE) are SECRET??? why???
Question 1 from Jonathan Hooks representing LFC Official Membership
How does the Club see the role of the Committee going forward and what assurances can we have that these meetings will be productive and result in real change for the benefit of all fans?
Points raised: The Committee was created to represent all the constituent parts of the fan-base. It's about giving the Committee the opportunity to ask questions and for the Club to respond appropriately. The Club wishes to share ideas and receive feedback from a group representing a cross-section of the fan-base, as we want the fans to have a voice within the Club.
Actions agreed: None.
CS> comment; a "voice" without teeth??? the board will follow the interests of the Yankers, not the Supporters. Those who were here last year NEVER at any stage made a proposal to allow supporters to hold shares WHICH is the ONLY SURE way of ensuring the club retains its ethics from the days of Shanks..AND would raise significant revenue to enable to strengthen the squad, faciltiies or ground rebovation/renewal
CS > PROPOSAL; that the board itself issues a "supporters shareholding initiative" to have a target of 50% held by supporters worldwide by the Year 2020 (its a discrace that USA sports stars, with no relation to our club, hold shares and we do not!)
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Question 2 from Damien Moore representing International Fans
Do you see certain countries as offering significant opportunity to develop and enhance our fan base, e.g. Canada, United States and China? If so, do you envision organic growth through community involvement, new soccer centers and being a leader of special needs clinics?
Points raised: We haven't ruled anywhere out in terms of our effort, but Asia, and particularly SE Asia, remains a priority. We have seven soccer school franchises, with Northern Ireland being the latest. Our digital media effort is allowing us to reach new markets. Our merchandising team is looking at local delivery, to save items being shipped direct from Liverpool, and taking transactions in local currencies.
Actions agreed: Announce destination for 2012 pre-season tour when known.
Progress against actions: Club will ensure dates are announced once they know
CS>comment ; due to ian Ayres previous CV, Asia is a priority and "Standard chartered blue shirts fiasco" a result ! ?? eastern Europe and particullarly our region (The Balkans) is beign ignored whilst other clubs liek Barca are promoting themselves here! scouting is also essential int this region, considerable young (european) talent
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Question 3 from Lewis Cubbin representing the under 18s
Is the Club satisfied with the process of buying tickets (bulk-buying) that those under the membership scheme have to carry out, and will this be reviewed before the next phase?
Points raised: We are satisfied to a point with how the sale went. We review everything and there are a few minor things to change before the next sale in November. We have made changes to the website to make it more robust. We are satisfied with the loyalty-based system giving fans the opportunity to make purchases with 13 games or more. We cannot stagger the sale further as we simply don't have enough tickets, it would result in a closed shop. Better liaison with visiting clubs and non-attending season ticket holders will potentially release more tickets for members.
Actions agreed: Investigate a queuing system; survey members after each sale; consider offering a day dedicated to the sale of adult/child tickets.
Progress against actions: A dedicated day for adult and child tickets has now been agreed. Further details will be posted on our website in due course. The club will also be hoping to implement a survey, assessing the new process.
CS>since the changes to the website I have not had ONE uninterupted viewing and no chance of ticket purchase, and the club "robot" replies to every complaint, as it probably will to these comments/proposals ;)
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Question 4 from Tore Hansen representing Official Supporters Clubs
Why do branch members of Official Supporters Clubs need to be members at a cost of £29 - to get tickets through their branch?
Points raised: It is not implemented as a revenue generating exercise, but merely an opportunity to standardise the purchasing of tickets for all and for the Club to engage with and better understand our fans, including those members of official supporters clubs.
Actions agreed: Make the policy clearer to fans.
Progress against actions: Updated FAQ's are now live on the website and a detailed and clearer policy discussed with Supporters Club representative with a view to share with all branches.
CS>Why arent individual international members allowed to purchase tickets?
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Question 5 from Robert Humphries representing Season Ticket Holders
Can the Club explain why there is a charge of £23 when paying cash at the ticket office window for a season ticket when there is no charge via the internet?
Points raised: In the past we operated a system where discount was given based on when you renewed not how you renewed, so for example you might have paid £600 before a deadline and £650 afterwards. We have simply replaced this policy with one that gives a discount for online sales instead; this is not only the most efficient method for sales but also brings us into line with other industries that discount online. This is not a booking fee or a charge. This summer with some members unfamiliar with computers, the ticket office has shown flexibility by helping the season ticket holder make the online payment, thereby qualifying for the online discount.
Actions agreed: Review charging structure in light of some fans considering the offline cost as a punitive charge.
Progress against actions: Monthly meetings set up with the Head of Ticketing Strategy to look at a clear process.
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Question 6 from Les Wright representing the Away Fans
Can the Club approach the Premier League to investigate pricing structure at away games for supporters of LFC? If officials representing home clubs wish to raise their ticket prices for Category A clubs, then why should the away fans pay the same rate, effectively paying the same price to watch a category B or C game?
Points raised: The current rules allow host clubs to charge travelling fans the equivalent to the highest ticket price on offer, irrespective of where the away fan is seated. Clubs often take advantage of this rule and it needs addressing.
Actions agreed: Raise at the next Premier League meeting.
Progress against actions: To be raised at the next Premier League meeting.
CS>The whole FA, EPL, UEFA, and FIFA ticket pricing needs to be investigated, the continual exploitation of supporters and variation of prices is a SCANDAL and a FRAUD. and requires a BOYCOTT!
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Question 7 from Andrew Moran representing General Admission
Can the Club provide an explanation and breakdown of how all seats at Anfield are allocated to the different sections of support - including away fans - and the number of seats that would be unavailable due to fan segregation, and to then provide a full breakdown on a game by game basis, of how seats have been allocated so far for the current season, and then publish and maintain this information on the Club website, to be updated as necessary and when the allocation for future games is arranged?
Points raised: Ticket allocations change on a game-by-game basis. Tickets allocated to sponsors are commercially sensitive information. Any tickets not taken-up always become available for purchase by members. It would be easy to show the allocations prior to the game, but this information is often different once the game has been played and the seating plans are finalised.
Actions agreed: Publish a plan on the website showing the ticket allocation before a game and the final distribution after the game has been played.
Progress against actions: Website to be updated with this information. Click here for a breakdown of the ticket allocation v Wolves (24/09/11).
CS>WHY, is the ticket allocation to sponsors "secret" ??? (if the Board dont want to name names, they could at least state numbers, or are they ashamed?)
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Question 8 from Laurence Whitehead representing Corporate Fans
Why have corporate season tickets increased despite there being no European games this coming season and will prices increase excessively next season assuming the team qualifies for European football?
Points raised: Ticket prices are not set dependent on whether the Club will be playing European football or not. Rather, they are based on other factors such as market trends and inflation. Over time it balances out, some years a corporate member may get 30 games (including cup games) other times they may get 21 or 22, they are not charged for the extra games. We are looking at the pricing policies deployed at other Clubs and will learn from their experiences.
Actions agreed: Continually review ticket-pricing structure.
Progress against actions: Corporate representative to meet with corporate sales manager in October 2011.
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Question 9 from Nasser Aboobakar representing International Supporters
Can the Club provide additional time for international fans to purchase tickets, as the current timescales are far too short?
Points raised: We work hard to try and accommodate as many requests from travelling fans and understand the commitment required from fans travelling from abroad. We appreciate that the timeframe in which international fans have to commit is very short and we will address this.
Actions agreed: Extend the time from when ticket availability is announced and when international fans need to make their purchases.
Progress against actions: Club went back to member to clarify the information requested. International member requested clarity around the policy. Please see below:
Independent supporters:
If an international supporter wishes to purchase tickets for a match at Anfield, we would recommend that they purchase LFC Official Adult Membership. This type of Membership gives the Member priority ticket access to all Barclays Premier League home games. This season, the tickets went on sale for all matches up till 31/12/2011 in July. Tickets for the second half of the season will be going on sale in November. There is sometimes late availability due to returns. LFC Official Adult Members are able to purchase tickets for as many matches as they wish (one ticket per Member)
Supporters travelling as part of a Supporters Club branch:
Supporters who may wish to travel to Anfield infrequently may prefer to access tickets through their local Supporters Club branch. Our Official Supporters Club branches have access to 2500 tickets per Barclays Premier League home match. Branches request tickets from the Club twice a year - once fixtures have been announced in the summer (for matched up until 31/12/2011) then again in November for tickets from 1/1/2012 for the rest for the season.
A membership card is still required for each person travelling to a match at Anfield in order to gain entry into the Stadium. However supporters who are travelling with a supporters club branch have the option of purchasing LFC International Membership. This Membership is cheaper as it does not have the independent ticketing benefits and can only be used for entry where a supporter has purchased tickets through their supporters club.
CS>It is obvious that this is a "penalty" to discourage individual international member card holders, the time delay is ridiculous and the block purchase also penalises the poorer fans, and, of course, benefits the "richer" fans, "peoples club" ??
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Question 10 from Jeanette Dodd representing Disabled Supporters
Are there any plans to address the deficit of wheelchair spaces available at Anfield in order for the Club to meet its access duty in line with the government's minimum standards as described in the Accessible Stadia Guide?
Points raised: The challenge is the physical constraints of the current Stadium, we are aware we have a deficit of the minimum requirements under the Disability Discrimination Act (DDA). There are no immediate plans to increase the number of disabled places from the current 101 to the minimum required under the Act to 221. However, we are prepared work creatively to address the problem.
Actions agreed: Arrange a meeting with the Committee, DLO and Stadium Manager and work together to identify a workable solution.
Progress against actions: Meeting took place between Jeanette Dodd, DLO, Stadium Manager and Director of Communications. The legislative difficulties in increasing wheelchair bays were explained and the issues with implementing any increase in the current stadium. All agreed that the deficit would be reduced in the event of the club announcing either a new stadium or the refurbishment of the current stadium. The club will endeavour to find a workable solution in the meantime and consult Supporters Committee member and the Liverpool Disabled Supporters Association if it is found that an increase can be made.
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Question 11 from Janet Brown representing Family Supporters
How is LFC going to make the club more family friendly?
Points raised: This is an area of focus for us this year, and we do want to explore what can be done within the constraints of the current Stadium and provision of family tickets and provision of family area. We started to trail match day initiatives such as lunch packs, 'my first visit to Anfield' promotion and photo opportunities in front of life-size images of popular players. We are also keen link with Clubs who have made great progress in engaging families, and we do work with industry experts. We have a very active community department who work with families to bring football, education and social initiatives together and there is much more we can do to engage and make the Club more family friendly.
Agreed actions: Work with the Committee member, families and community priorities and act upon new opportunities.
Progress against actions: The Club agreed with Jan Brown to have dedicated Adult/Child sales. As part of the system review we are also looking at how best to process them online. Committee member met with Head of Community department to further understand what is currently in place.
CS>thats nice, but the club needs to be more "supporter friendly" first?
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Question 12 from Paul Amann representing LGBT Supporters
What is the club's LGBT/Equality policy for fans employees and players and how is this monitored and what action is taken, if and when necessary?
Points raised: The Club is working on a policy but doesn't have a policy in place at present. Brighton and Manchester City have made progress and could provide useful insights into what can be achieved in this area.
Actions agreed: Meet with the Committee Member, HR and Social Inclusion Officer and identify a practical plan of action. Assess current industry best practice.
Progress against actions: Committee member Paul Amann met with Club representatives and discussed the various ideas. Paul mentioned "Charter for Action" government scheme stamping out LGBT in sport. Suggestion made for educating of our stewards in recognising homophobic chanting. The Club will look to progress further. Club to look into arranging an event for football versus homophobia. Plans in place to assess possibilities of linking with Mersey Marauders FC. Paul Amann agreed to support the Club Equality and Diversity training programme.
Meetings have also taken place with the FA, Brighton and Hove Albion and Manchester City to better understand the work they are doing in this area.
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Question 13 from James Benson representing Anfield and Breckfield Supporters, Aaron Cardoso representing UK Supporters and Samantha Armstrong representing Female Fans
What new information can be provided regarding the stadium and what dialogue has been had with the local community regards the changes and regeneration of the area and do you have any timescales regarding the future of Anfield?
Points raised: The status quo is not what anyone would want. Mistakes were made in the past and money was wasted. We are in continuous discussions about refurbishment of Anfield and building a new stadium in Stanley Park. Both options are not without their challenges, risks and complications. One way of making the new stadium a viable option is to secure a naming rights partner. However, what is certain is that there is now a real commitment to do the right thing for the Club, its fans and local residents.
Actions agreed: None.
CS>the naming rights should be a matter for the supporters, and could be funded by the above-mentioned (point 1) supporters shareholding


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Question 14 from Stephen Kelly representing the Over 60s
Is there any possibility of parking close to the ground specifically for the over 70s?
Points raised: We have car park facilities in Stanley Park, Anfield Road and St Domingo's. A review of the problem would give a clearer indication of the number of elderly fans affected and we will try to help out.
Actions agreed: Work with the Committee Member to clarify the problem and identify a workable solution.
Progress against actions: Car parking for the over 65's - several spaces have now been allocated in Anfield Road car park on first come first serve ST / Members. A drop off zone seems more difficult to achieve but will still be considered.
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Question 15 from Abu Nasir representing the Ethnic Minority Supporters
Will the Club have a policy or strategy for BME (black and minority ethnic) engagement? For example, opportunities to attend matches, recruit players with an Asian heritage, employment within the Club?
Points raised: The Club runs a successful Equality 4 All project and our Social Inclusion Officer works with Kick it out and Show Racism the Red Card. We run soccer camps with different ethnic communities within Liverpool. Player recruitment has always been based on whether the player is good enough and not on his ethnicity. During the pre-season tour to Asia, we used the opportunity to attend local trials and our Academy Head of Player Recruitment is travelling to China shortly to conduct a series of scouting missions.
Actions agreed: None.
CS>a group which is totally ignored is the gypsy/romas!
Author: Paul Eaton

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Mentality

The Full Monty ; protecting the Whole of ; "THE holy trinity"
http://chrismithlog.blogspot.com/

ChriS> I FELT I had to write this and risk abuse etc (which inevitably came) .
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….Perhaps its a result of the mess Lfc was in , in recent years, combined with the "sky(tv) washing" of global footy fans, but there is an increasing "nasty" element creeping into the internet forums , everywhere, ...
Those of us who have been though exceptional times, trophies in Leagues, European record champions, cup finals and also the horrible (hopefully rare) defeats..and of course those highs (especially the "away-days") are balanced with tradgedy at Heysel & Hillsborough (& fighting against continued Injustice) ..should know , in our heart and soul what the "Liverpool Way" is, that Shanks installed in our club (there are enough reminders on Lfc . tv or you tube if any one is too young)
The insults have increased, not witty, but blatant disrespectful and often aggressive and downright "nasty" attacks on our own supporters, players, ex-players and even managers who did and do wonders for our club...
the "owners" dont come into it. our "holy trinity" ; players, manager & supporters is once more intact, in force and moving forwards (i believe we should push again for shared ownership, but lets leave that for the sake of this message)
OUR older supporters alsways knew how far to go, yeah we'll rubbish the oppositon, especially the mancs or the cockneys etc..but there IS a limit we shouldnt cross,, and whether we were at Anfield or away, we usually could "police" our own, if someone crossed the line, we would "have a word" ;), because i for one, am part of a big Global RedS family, and i dont want idiots ruining the games , the travel or the "craic" (party) before or after , do you??
in the modern world of "instant" its too easy for ppl to react negatively and nastily..i am not naming names..but i am sure we all heard it at stadiums or saw it in print or on the net..its up to us what sort of Club we want, to be and remain "the true RedS = the special ones" ;) or just be brought down to the level of all the clubs "fans"..
if you care then its up to you...dont blame anyone else, dont point the finger and turn away, they will stop, or be stopped if we act "reasonably" and if ppl get P**ed off with MY "patronising " attitude, then I am quite happy to discuss it with them ;) properly
below is something i sent after a true REd, a girl who gives everything she can to our club was insulted on a forum..(on 2 forums actually)
I am disgusted that i had to send this yesterday to the administrators of a group, their "reaction" to ban the "victim" and myself!!
"complaints have been made to members of your group *red nation) and in response the plaintiffs have been insulted or banned if this continued, the culprits will be named and the group may be closed down..
please ensure you adminstrate your group in a way that does not bring the good name and reputation of Liverpool supporters worldwide into disrepute
on behalf of True Reds, Liverpool supporters
and ChriS SMITH, u.r.s.u.nhttp://www.ursun.net/MyLFCLUB_2.htm. - Global RedS
Montenegro "

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"Blast from the past"
(written almost THREE years ago...)

RED opportunity must not be allowed to be ruined by "spoilers"...
Since the semi finals of the then European CUP in Milan in '65 when we had our very good chances to be the VERY first British winners of that "Champions cup" denied by corruption. I have felt we are always going to be involved in extreme emotional times both ecstatic & tragic.
and also during the various generations and teams that we have had in the last 50 years we have fought back against adversity and opponents within & without.
Even Shanks (in his book "Shankly by Shankly" ) complains that eventually fighting constantly to get his way too away his energy & whatever his "funny ways" (and if the media today think Rafa is eccentric, they would have wiped out by Shanks exclamations) the man that established us as a global force surely deserved a better treatment by LFC...
Even King Kenny, arguably the best player to ever put on the shirt and certainly the best player-manager in the history of the Football league complained of unwarranted criticism during his time as manager, despite the immense contribution he & his family made to LFC & the community post-Hillsborough.

Souness, arguably one of our best players, whatever your opinion of his mistakes as a manager, had a heart attack, & GH, who prior to Rafa had given us our best success since Kenny, was virtually crucified for his substitutions at Leverkusen after his return from absence caused by his heart attack, when I see the unwarranted attack on Rafa, who has put us in our best position overall since Kenny resigned & certainly capable of bringing us our best chances of a return to Domestic and European glory since Bob & Joe, it quite simply makes me sick!
Some "fans" born of this "fast food" & "instant entertainment" generation could possibly be excused for their lack of patience (after 4 draws, 2 away & 2 Deby games, lets not forget that the mancs LOST both of their derby games last season!) but its surely up to us, who were part of the legend of the standing KOP, on which this forum is based, to make it clear that such pessimism is unwarranted and UNWANTED at LIVERPOOL football club.
The Media has written us off, our captain pilloried by the same & opponents fans ridicicule him, our players scorned by the FA & our supporters tainted by UEFA, the KOPITE mentality I feel is the essence of our "holy trinity" of Supporters, players & manager is to rallly the "troops" around our Liverbird flag..to defend ourselves and show WE are deserve to be champion supporters.but, If there are to be inquests, at least have the respect to wait until there is a a "dead body" ...otherwise WE are guilty of football suicide & losing this opportunity...
over to you Rafa...

　
RAFA: WE HAVE A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY
(www.liverpoolfc.tv)
Paul Eaton 30 January 2009
Rafael Benitez has shrugged off his side's recent indifferent form by insisting they still have a 'fantastic opportunity' to claim this season's title.
Although three successive league draws have seen the Reds relinquish top spot to rivals Manchester United, the manager remains confident his players will soon rediscover the winning habit and keep in the hunt to end their long wait for a league title.

"The players know that, after a lot of years talking about being contenders, this is a fantastic opportunity so they are really together and you can see the mentality of all of them," he said. "The training sessions over the past two weeks have been very good.

"This season, from the beginning we were so good, we were scoring goals and winning games and everyone could see that it was an opportunity for us.

"People were saying, 'Maybe it'll be this year' so we have created a lot of the expectation ourselves. But we are still in this position so everybody knows that we have to do our best.

"Clearly we have to improve in attack. We have plenty of control and plenty of possession, but we have to create chances and take them. This is one area we can clearly improve on and we are trying to improve.

"We are in the best position that the team or club has been in for the last 15 years or something so we have to be positive and think about the positives, concentrate on Chelsea."

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From: "chrismith" <chrismith@ursun.net>
To: <info@itsliverpool.com>
Cc: "FAIR" <fair@ursun.net>; "media" <media@ursun.net>; "ana. M" <ana.maras@ursun.net>
Subject: "its Liverpool" = I am LIVERPOOL
Date: 13 September 2011 20:01
I couldnt sign up on the website , the campaign registration page isnt working(?)
Having lived abroad instigating numerous international networking projects since leaving GB more than 25 years ago I have always promoted Liverpool; the people, the culture, the music ; the city and Lfc.. I have volunteered in many charities, coached kids "the Liverpool way" had my own  version of a show similar to John Peel on a german free radio station, (smile)..constantly promoting "all things LIverpool", I tell everyone I meet that this is the place to be, because of the friendly people, culture , its music and football.(being a supporter of Lfc since the 60's) .
I am currently experimenting with youth and local SME/entrepreneurs in a creative enterprise (see http://www.ursun.net/LetS-BFAIR_LAUNCH.htm "under construction") .. and  ask you to inform me how you think "Its Liverpool" could co-operate with this concept and myself, as Montenegro ("Wild Beauty" and the Balkans is becoming increasingly important as a Strategic location for eastern europe and mediteranean regions and certain other areas of the World
ChriS SMITH
Montenegro  

REDnet..


OF course I support Kenny 100%..
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/kenny-rues-missed-chances

The weekend ended better, we played a very competitive 6-a-side match and the mancs got battered `-6 at old toilet..,.if only we had taken a few of our chances in the games v sunderland, stoke, manure and norwich , WE would be top of the league!!!

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